Supported living using a private landlord

Helen Reed 12/01/18 General Housing Topics

Hi is it possible to set up supported living using a private land lord. I have a client base ready to go and a very flexible private landlord with ground floor properties ideal for supported living.

I currently have a support service for those with Ld and complex needs in their own homes and it is a limited company.

Is there away my business can lease the properties from the land lord? Or does it have to be directly through the landlord? As I feel there would be more flexibility to the client if the rent would be through me but not sure if that can be done? Any advice on this area would be greatfully received.
TIA
Helen

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Leslie Kirkham 15/01/18

Hi Helen
Unless the landlord is a charity or not for profit organisation then he would only be eligible to claim LHA rates if your clients were to become his tenants.
Better that you lease the property from the landlord, that way you can claim "exempt supported accommodation status" under the old scheme rules whereby you can recover the full rent that the landlord is charging you, plus your on costs for providing the housing service, all recoverable from Housing Benefit as you are supplying both the accommodation and the care you are a Tier One "exempt provider".
The cost of providing the care is met from social services or NHS budgets.
Regards
Les

Angela Pegg 17/01/18

Please contact me. Angela 07713 477532

Fungai Charuma 07/02/18

I also am looking to use a landlord as I don’t own a property. I would appreciate and help/ advice on how to go about this?

Leslie Kirkham 08/02/18

Hi Helen
You need to set up a not for profit limited company which will then lease properties from your landlords and will claim the full array of housing benefits including the full cost of rent. Your existing company will supply, and be paid for, the care and support element. An appropriate Service Level Agreement will need to be drawn up between the two companies.

Mohammed Furreedan 08/02/18

do i understand correctly that one is better off setting up a company to which you can rent your property for pursuing your supported living centre.
thank you

David Whittock 08/02/18

Hello Helen

I'm happy to have a discussion with you, where about are you based in the UK ?

Fungai Charuma 08/02/18

What can we include in the tenancy agreement in terms of what we should expect from a landlord.

Mohammed Furreedan 09/02/18

Hi David
Thk for your courteous response and I am based in REDBRIDGE but the intended property is based in Woodgreen. London N22.However I can be reached on 07855331494 if u wish to speak to me for an appointment
Thk Yu

Helen Reed 09/02/18

Hi I'm based in Herefordshire, thank you all for your feed back

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sam Cane 12/02/18

Directed at Leslie.
Please can you provide clarification on this point you make above
"plus your on costs for providing the housing service, all recoverable from Housing Benefit as you are supplying both the accommodation and the care you are a Tier One "exempt provider".

I have been asked by the local council to provide a breakdown of the costs for support, but i dont know what to put in there.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Thanks
Sam

Leslie Kirkham 12/02/18

Hi Sam
Please contact me at [log in to view email address]
Regards
Les

Mohammed Furreedan 13/02/18

Hi Sirs
It appears no one responded to my queries Sofar
Thk
Awaiting a feed back which would be most appreciated
Kind regards
Mohammed Furreedan 07855331494

PJ Akins 14/02/18

To: Leslie Kirkham

Could I please contact you as well, I find your comment liberating and would just benefit from speaking to you to put across any related queries to do with setting up a supported accommodation.

Please confirm at your earliest if its alright to email you in the first instance.

Regards
PJ


Mark Pattison 17/03/18

Afternoon,

Qualified RMN here who has a registered company with CQC. I’m looking to further expand the business via providing accommodation. I’m looking for advice, partnership, ideas from anyone connected to the Bedfordshire area.

Any support greatly appreciated.

Best wishes

Mark

Ndaba Ndlovu 02/04/18

Hi Mark

can I have a chat with you please? I'm interested in what you do

Leslie Kirkham 05/04/18

Hi Mark
We are Milton Keynes based but operate out of County, so to speak. Please contact me with your contact details in order for me to have a discussion with you regarding supported accommodation.

Hayley Dawson 10/05/18

Hi guys
I am just wondering if anyone can help me out..we are looking to rent out our property to a supported living group...LD or mental health etc. We live in the north west of England and are currently not looking to set up our own supported living charity more just renting our property out to such cause. I am an RMN myself but have little understanding on housing and how we would go about inquiring and registering our property for interested parties. Any advice would be greatly received .
Many thanks in advance
HAYLEY

Hayley Dawson 10/05/18

Hi guys
I am just wondering if anyone can help me out..we are looking to rent out our property to a supported living group...LD or mental health etc. We live in the north west of England and are currently not looking to set up our own supported living charity more just renting our property out to such cause. I am an RMN myself but have little understanding on housing and how we would go about inquiring and registering our property for interested parties. Any advice would be greatly received .
Many thanks in advance
HAYLEY

Leslie Kirkham 14/05/18

Hi Hayley
In which part of the Northwest are you??
Regards
Les

Pauline Mpofu 16/05/18

Hie Hayley
I’m looking for a house to rent for supported living. I live in Lancashire. I have got some referrals coming in but no where to place them. Please contact me for further discussions at [log in to view email address]

Kind regards
Pauline

selina morgan 06/07/18

Hi Guys,

I am really keen to set up supported accommodation in the Solihull borough. I am a RGN but have also been working in the homeless department for a LA for the last 4 years, so have a lot of experience in this area. I know there is a lack of provision for 16-21year olds in this area whether they are care leavers or just simply homeless due to relationship breakdowns etc. I have done a lot of research and have made a lot of contacts within my workplace. I am confident in getting referrals/clients but I need some help and advice on the breakdown costing's, applying for exempt statues, approximately what I can charge etc. I am looking for someone to work with who has a little experience of that side of things and I can bring al the experience in relation to housing law, council polices etc. is anyone willing to help and give me some advice please????? this would be very greatly appreciated

Shanta Mangat 27/11/18

Hi
Can someone please guide me how to set up 16+ supported living accommodation and what kind of mortgage I should apply for. Will this be classed as commercial? Also how will I get clients, do I need to register with local authorities. I am a social worker but I am not clear about the procedures, can someone offer advice please.

Clara Mashazhike 29/11/18

You can get a tenancy agreement from the landlord as proof to use property & managing the property for business but you need to show the separate agreements for service and tenancy for the client.You need to include in your agreement that in future If tenant wish to refuse your service for care they will have the right to remain as a tenant for the property and vise versa for the accommodation.

Petros Juruvenge 30/11/18

Hi All
If anyone can help me with advice how to get referrals, I'm newly registered with CQC for Supported Living accommodation for people with physical and Learning disability needs. I have accommodation ready in Dudley area.

Thank you

Petros

You can contact me on [log in to view email address]

Marie St-Mart 01/12/18

@Clara, If a tenant refuse your service the Service Provider will have a discussion with an allocated Social Worker of the particular Local Authority to attempt to resolve any issues before the making of the decision to move the Young Person. If the discussion fail to resolve any issues the Service provider may give 28 days notice to the LA to terminate the placement.

If a Service Provider terminate a placement after the issue has been resolved and the Placement retained the LA will consider this as an "Unjustified Termination". Any occurrence of Unjustified Termination will be monitored by the LA and this may lead to the suspension of the Service Provider.

A Service Provider running a Supported Living care business do not need to have the tenant remain at the Service Provider's location as the OP is looking to set up a 16+ supported living the Young Person should be returned to the care of the LA or to a person with parental responsibility.

Marie St-Mart 01/12/18

Hi Petros,

To get referrals you must be compliant with your Local Authority's service expectation. This include the accommodation, your experience, skills and competency of running a Supported Living care business and also you must be financially viable.

I hope this helps.