00:20:24 Sharon Rose: Hello from Sharon Rose, Social Gerontologist, S. Florida, Happy to be here! 00:23:33 Julie Barrett: Slides are rather blurry 00:23:47 Julie Barrett: Ok, better now 00:24:57 @shirleyayres: My personal later life vision is to live in a tech enabled affordable small home with access to driverless electric cars to take me to see my family and friends so that I can be truly independent. I want to live in a multi generational community with space for residents to connect and pursue shared interests and leisure pursuits. I want a low cost eco friendly home which is so well designed my grandson would also want to live there. 00:25:05 @shirleyayres: Why is it assumed that when adults age and need care and support that institutional care is too often the default position? Research about other options seems very limited. Where are the innovative housing options which will challenge institutional living for older adults as the default option? 00:26:46 Stephanie Baxter - Housing Strategy & Enabling Manager: Cohousing is a brilliant model of intergenerational living, delivering independence, choice and shared space/time 00:27:31 Stephanie Baxter - Housing Strategy & Enabling Manager: I hear a lot about future care rather than future strategies to promote physical health. surely this is where the investment is needed, prevention, not care? 00:32:36 @shirleyayres: What needs to happen to encourage a radical rethink including designing low cost, eco friendly smart homes located within mutli generational communities? 00:33:40 David Abbott: Risks in living independently (with support) perhaps yes but risks of institutional living inc in ATUs is also significant. 00:34:52 Stephanie Baxter - Housing Strategy & Enabling Manager: Loneliness is a big problem, cohousing or coliving may be the answer 00:42:11 Stephen Chandler: Some great comments and questions here. I want to live in a home as described by Shirley. We have been developing Extra Care housing in Oxon and had to retrain our SW staff to see it as appropriate for many more people than they might have though possible. We have some great support providers who have worked with us to see the support being appropriate for many more people than we all might have initially though of. We had 2 women with LD move into a scheme from a residential care and their lives have been transformed. 00:44:03 Suzannah Young NHF: Really positive to hear examples of the transformational potential of supported and specialist housing 00:46:44 Stephen Chandler: The ASC White paper does talk a lot about prevention and independence and clearly that requires councils working even closer in partnerships with housing authorities and providers. This is a challenge at the moment given the levels of demand for support (400,000 people waiting for something from their council, an assessment, a package of support a review that says its the right level. We have actually in Oxon reduced the numbers of people waiting for an assessment in the last 9 months from nearly 2000 to 1000. Still too many but we have done that by working earlier with people avoiding them needing to get a care package in many cases. It builds on community resources and works with people earlier in their care journey. 00:47:27 @shirleyayres: Through my work I speak to many people in their 50s, 60s and 70s. No one has expressed a desire to just live with other older adults as they age and may need care and support. They want to be in the middle of vibrant intergenerational communities rather than being isolated purely on the basis of their age. Age is a statistical category, it is not our identity! 00:53:21 Darrell Jackson: I think the reality is that older people have different aspirations and wants. They are as diverse as any age group. They are not all the same and our aim as providers should be to try and meet a range of choices for older people 00:54:01 Tessa O'Shaughnessy: Co-living and co-housing are idealistic answers. But with all good ideas, comes challenges for example with a co-living approach I think there is a need to 'match individuals' to live together. For example offering accomodation to a student in a house where an older adult resides requires practices such as vetting, screening and assessing suitability. With co-housing, the challenge would be to not silo people to live in 'categorised' communities based on their age (for e.g. retirement living), condition and health status (for example nursing homes). Co-housing ideally is a mix of people (with different backgrounds, ages, race etc.) living in a community with similar vision for living and community values😊 00:54:47 Sam Taylor: has anyone seen any early evidence in a change in attitudes and appetites for traditional older person's housing, across the spectrum of sheltered accommodation, extra care, nursing and residential care? In response to COVID specifically, do we need to hear from people in the context of their wider family lives? i.e. a care home might be the only place for my relative to receive the best care right now, but in a lockdown/shielding situation, their, and my wellbeing will suffer - what is the alternative? 00:55:05 Lisa: Darrell - I agree. 00:58:03 Stephanie Baxter - Housing Strategy & Enabling Manager: The Older Womens Cohousing at High Barnet is an intentional housing scheme. Maybe not for everyone, but has benefits of living together (in independent flats) that supports neighbours and has improved residents health and wellbeing. Covid raised challenges but they also evolved answers. 01:00:52 @shirleyayres: BBC1 tonight at 19.30 Crisis in Care: Follow the Money Panorama Crisis in Care: Follow the Money Panorama Tens of thousands of elderly people live in care homes owned by international investors. Panorama asks how much money is being taken out of the system. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0012cbj 01:01:57 Sally Taylor-Ridgway: Please do leave your questions in the Q&A box for discussion later on! 01:04:53 Bob Green (he/him): Thought-provoking words from Jackie. I am working in Manchester to develop an LGBT Extra Care Scheme. Such an 'institution' is needed because our communities want and need to live with our family of choice. I agree the current system has often failed us in the past but we now have the opportunity to co-produce a new solution that tackles isolation and increases independence. 01:07:54 @shirleyayres: I think Stephen’s point about the value and importance of working with local support providers is important. I have always been impressed by the work of Community Catalysts who have been helping local people who want to develop small enterprises to complement established day services by offering highly personalised alternatives in a number of localities. 01:13:08 eu471: @shirleyayres we are working with Community Catalysts in Cambridgeshire to develop more creative, local offers 01:14:14 Stephanie Baxter - Housing Strategy & Enabling Manager: @eu471 please share details 01:14:38 Jackie Cryus-Marshall: It was a pleasure being here. Sadly I need to leave now to join another meeting. Really regret I can’t stay long enough to join the panel and take questions. Best wishes to all and have a wonderful Christmas. 01:15:10 eu471: thank you Jackie, that was really thought provoking 01:15:18 Sally Taylor-Ridgway: Thank you for joining us today, Jackie! 01:16:32 @shirleyayres: Apologies I have to leave this meeting now to attend another meeting. Thanks to the speakers, Jeremy and HousingLin for providing the space to discuss this important topic. I agree with Oona that collaboration across a range of sectors including Homes England, social enterprises and charities is essential and has to be the way forward. 01:19:12 Stephen Chandler: I have worked with Community Catalysts in both Somerset and Oxfordshire, they are great and provide a really great way to keep in control of support. Up until September we were commissioning home care on Oxon by the MIUNTE. I thought it was scandalous and we worked over 18 months to design a new model of contact, a new way of defining outcomes and a model that gave much more of eh choice and control to the person being supported and he support provider. It wasn't easy making the changes but I think it will make a fundamental difference as we change that culture. 01:20:03 Sally Taylor-Ridgway: Tomorrow we'll be looking at the housing for older people’s market and sharing ideas on how the sector is reimagining the vision for retirement living in how and where it develops, designs and operates more resilient communities: https://www.housinglin.org.uk/HLINSummit2021/agenda/reimagining-retirement-living/ 01:21:47 Tessa O'Shaughnessy: Thanks Oona for showing us the existing 60s/70s styled care homes, for being honest that it is not something Brunel are proud of and what Brunel want to see in the future instead 01:22:36 Sally Taylor-Ridgway: The new centre, IMPACT, that Jon mentioned: https://more.bham.ac.uk/impact/ 01:34:21 Joanne: sorry got to leave - really interesting afternoon, thanks to the speakers 01:35:54 Rebecca Higton: This has been very interesting will we be able access the recording after the event is finished? 01:36:48 Sally Taylor-Ridgway: Hi Rebecca, yes the recording and presentation slides will all be available on our website later in the week! 01:39:47 Sue Weston: I was rather hoping that the new White Paper would be the "new Beveridge" - sadly not 01:46:37 Liz Zacharias: There is no point at which it becomes part of life to plan for retirement or old age there should be a process whereby we are each encouraged to sit down and do that planning and thinking 01:48:31 eu471: Most people don't have a clue what is meant by "Extra care" 01:49:46 265744: I totally agree that people must have the choice, but there can be issues, when the LAs supporting them want to simply 'get them out off their caseload'. So it's important that the support is the right kind of support 01:51:15 265744: Great point Jon regarding taboo subjects. This is particularly true of older caribbean people 01:57:46 Mariette Mason: The bigger conversation is something end of life care faced in discussing dying. hence the Dying Matters movement which has made great inroads into end of life care. Perhaps there are lessons we can learn particularly the World Café events 02:01:49 Liz Zacharias: Excellent session a lot of food for thought 02:01:49 Sally Taylor-Ridgway: Please do browse the Summit's website and explore this week's range of 'IdeaTalks' sessions! https://www.housinglin.org.uk/HLINSummit2021/agenda/ 02:02:44 Sue Weston: Excellent session to end a great day thanks